Does this information help you?

I have statistics for my site.  I can see how many people load which page, and where they go from there and when they exit the site.  Now don’t get paranoid that I have this ability, because most websites do this kind of tracking.  I know how many people look at the information daily.  I know how many people buy copies of my book.  But the proportion of those who are looking vs. those who get back to me about it is not consistent with the real life statistics.  I talk to people about the topic of this site regularly, and even without prying, I hear back from them how it’s affecting their life.  But the online community doesn’t seem to want to take the time.

So I’m asking you.  I’m not begging just yet, but it may come to that.  If you read something on this site that you found helpful, impactful, irritating, or incomprehensible, no matter the emotion or perception, I’d like to hear about it.  If I only hear atheists mocking me, that’s the feeling I’ll have about my work and my impact.  If I only hear from adoring fans, I’ll begin to think that skeptics don’t exist.  Whoever you are, whatever your perception, I want to hear about it.  Tell me what you think about my site, my book, my life’s work.

7 Responses to Does this information help you?

  1. Well, since you asked:

    “I have read as many ancient texts as I could find about the start of mankind. There are many things these historians disagreed about. Their speculations were often laughable. There is a consistent theme, though. They all agreed that mankind had a beginning, and that beginning was inseperably tied to the birth stories of their gods. They unwaiveringly and unashamedly listed their genealogies back to common ancestors, kings, and gods. Their lists spanned hundreds or thousands of years, and they scoffed at the idea of an eternal earth. After reading the words of these ancient historians, the theory of evolution seems like ignorant, unsubstantiated speculation. ”

    What exactly is supposed to be convincing about this? Because a bunch of people who had no way of independently dating the age of the earth traced their lineages back as far as they could remember & tacked gods on the end, that makes prevailing theories on evolution, astronomy, & geology wrong?

    Also, I find the “modern science” section…interesting. There’s only 1 link that’s actually about (a very specific facet of) evolution as recognized by the scientific community. And nothing about any other scientific concept.

    “Hydroplane Theory” is a bunch of nonsense. It’s creative, I’ll give it that, but it’s an unnecessarily convoluted story that seeks to cover its own lack of evidence, doesn’t explain why the Earth formed that way, & I have doubts about its mechanical possibility. “Pressure” caused a microscopic crack in rock to expand “at 3 miles per second” & encircle the globe? Water shot up all over the globe but didn’t kill just about every species around? It reshaped the world, dumped ice & mud all over the place, but a boat could survive it?

    After clicking a few links, I have no idea what “evidence” I’m supposed to be looking at. All I’m seeing are unsupported assertions made by widely discredited organizations. If God exists, surely we can find better results. After all, creation science pretty much dominated for hundreds of years until Darwin came along. If he’s so far off of the mark, then why do we keep finding the things that he predicted we would find? Why don’t creation scientists make predictions that are substantiated? Why don’t they have a model of the initial creation event to test?

    • FromNoahtoHercules

      I recognize you! Welcome to my blog. I’m happy you’re here. As you may have noticed, not a lot of people chatting on here yet.

      I’m sorry that the evidence isn’t clear and up-front on the first page (or even a couple pages in). People have a short attention span on the web, and I have to hit the major points of discovery first and let those who want to prove or disprove it for themselves find the evidence further in. My claims do have support, and as you look deeper, some of them will start to present themselves. Some of the details come from my book, which isn’t entirely free – just mostly free on the web. (If I gave away all of my findings on my website, nobody would buy my book.) And some of my claims are on the websites I promote. For instance, After the Flood by Bill Cooper. I know that’s a lot of work, but it’s also why I don’t put all of that on my front pages. It takes more than a paragraph to prove it. You’re welcome to ask where I got specific ideas, and I’ll do my best to help. If you want evidence, specifically, though, try my flier page. I tried to stuff those with the historical evidence, which really is the point of my book. I’m not out to make a rock solid case for Creationism. (Which is also why I’m not planning to debate the merits of the Hydroplate Theory.) My site is about history as it relates to the ToE. My evidence comes from reading folks like Eusebius and Strabo.

      As to your last paragraph – about the “widely discredited organizations” and the lack of evidence… Like with the debate on our other page, I have to first agree that the organizations are discredited. We have to either look more closely at the evidence to find common ground, or we have to use better emotional appeals. We’re not going to change each other’s minds by blanket assertions like those. My second point is that God does exist. I know because I talk to him every day (to quote Megadeath). No, really, I’ve seen miracles that prove something more than naturalism. And if God was in charge of compiling the evidence, it would be a lot better than I did. LOL. My stuff is pathetic compared to His. But God doesn’t reveal Himself to everyone. I think the reason for this (and I’m speculating on a truth that I know to be unchanging: that God hides his face from sinners) is that we are accountable for the things we know. If you were shown a miracle and you rejected it, that would be on you. If you didn’t know it was wrong, say, to steal, and you did it, there would be a consequence, but much less than if you had known it was wrong, planned it and executed it with full knowledge of the pain you would cause. I have a couple scriptures that support my view on that, but I’ll let you ask for them. My last point is that my page isn’t dedicated to Creation Science. History and science are completely different fields of study. Science deals only in things that are happening or will happen. You can’t perform scientific studies on what once was, only what is. History, though, doesn’t deal with what is or what will be, but what was. We piece together what we can the best we can. And you know who does well at figuring this kind of thing out? What should we use? Science or history? The criminal courts do it well. They use just the right amount of science and testimony. And most of the time, if they do it well, they can get a unanimous jury. Most of the time…

  2. Yes, it is me. Thanks for the welcome.

    I do have a short attention span, but mostly because the more people claim to have a compelling case for god/creationism or against atheism/evolution or whatever, the less novel it seems. I could spend days on the internet just reading what people claim is true, & what they think proves it. But, why bother, when crystals probably don’t focus our psychic energies?

    I also tend not to bother with sites I know will lie to try to manipulate my decisions (such as Answers in Genesis), unless I can find that information somewhere more reputable.

    Put another way, I guess “throw everything at the wall & see what sticks” is certainly A rhetorical tactic, but there’s always the possibility that nothing will stick.

    • FromNoahtoHercules

      It’s not a bad way to do things.

      I do recommend, though, taking the time to investigate God as though He were real. Since I know that He is, I’m not going to try to prove it to you. God could do that better than I ever could. Since you seem to like science as a tool, I’m just asking you to do some prayer experimentation. It may seem like a bit of a sacrifice, but give God one month to prove Himself. A month is nothing in the broader scheme. Heck, a several year experiment wouldn’t be much in the eternal scheme, but I’m just asking you to take a month.

      Set up:
      You can’t do surgery with dirty instruments, so you start with a bit of purification. Tell God that you are going to do an experiment where He is the object, and ask Him to lead you through it. Think about all the things you know to be sinful, and avoid them for a week. Read Mt. 5-7 in a few translations (i.e. NKJV, NIV, & NLT) and keep those things in mind as you purify yourself in preparation for your experiment. Read and apply Romans 12. And the Living Biblically guy (A.J. Jacobs) failed in his experiment for one reason in particular. He didn’t try to believe in God. He said that belief just comes on you and you have nothing to do with it. That’s only partly true and mostly false. My son rejected cracker jacks because he didn’t like the look of them. Then I required him to eat one and he said he didn’t like it. Cracker Jacks! Nehemiah 8:10-12 says that they changed from mournful to joyful because they chose it. You can also choose faith. I know this to be true, because I did it. I chose faith and then the faith solidified in me so that I would have to choose not faith to quit my faith at this point. An analogy would be something like not having complete observable evidence that your wife is cheating on you. You weigh the pros and cons of either option, and it seems like she might be cheating. It may be setting yourself up for a greater disappointment, but deciding to believe that she’s not cheating will do more to mend the relationship than accusing her will. Likewise, God is a person who wants a relationship, and you can decide not to believe in Him — or you can decide to believe. After you have purified your body and mind, purify your soul. Find some good worship music and listen to it. I recommend buying a copy of Andy Park’s “Unshakable” CD. Sing the songs like you mean it.

      The experiment:
      After a week of purification, and maintaining your pure state, begin to pray. Pray for a miracle. Don’t be a wimp about it, because God can do anything. It’s also true that God won’t do anything outside his nature, so pick things that He is likely to want to do, but is unlikely to happen in real life. I’d pick maybe 5 things. Write them down. JP Moreland has a story where he prayed for a house with a white picket fence for an unreasonably low price a certain distance from location X – or something like that. Pray things that specifically. You don’t want to be in doubt at the end of the experiment. Now, I don’t want to be making excuses for why God didn’t answer your prayers yet, because I know He will, but I also want to reiterate that God only gives good gifts to his children. Don’t ask for something like the death of your enemy… God’s not a witch doctor. And pray this stuff for the remaining 3 weeks of the month. Pray it 3x a day or so. Pray like you mean it. Pray like it matters. And if God doesn’t answer one of your miraculous prayers, it’s on Him. I know that God has revealed Himself to me in a measure beyond doubt, and you are trying to duplicate the results in a scientific way.

      Throw that to the wall and see if it sticks. And when it does, let me know how it went.

  3. Gonna have to pass.

    Even if I had time for that, what you listed was basically a step-by-step guide for convincing yourself to believe that something happened when it really didn’t. Scientifically speaking, no self-respecting researcher would take part in his own experiment, & in any case, there have been dozens of studies on the veracity of prayer.

    Also, I have prayed (felt nothing), read suggested parts of the Bible (boring), & so on. And while my household was never particularly devout, I at least actually knew what Christianity WAS. I didn’t learn about atheism until I was in middle or high school, so I’d say it evens out. For all intents & purposes, I’d say I know that the God of which you speak either does not exist, or is not interested in talking to me. Which would be fine, I suppose, just as I have better things to do than pine after a mystical entity that may not even be real, said entity would probably be busy making sure the universe didn’t fall apart.

    Also, I was trying to be polite earlier, but frankly we call this tactic “lying for Jesus.” I never deliberately misrepresent atheism (or religions, for that matter) to people, & always try to point it out when an atheist is circulation a false rumor about religion. Because what’s true is true, whether it endears people to my side or not.

    Anywho, as I was suggesting on my other thread, I will be making myself scarce. It’s getting harder to find the time to do this, & I believe I’ve more than given the input for what was asked of me on both sites.

    I know I’ve missed some things, like whatever you were trying to say with Pascal’s Wager, but that’s the way things go. If you’re still interested in this stuff…I don’t know if I want to say that I “suggest” this site, but for the time being, I still frequent it, & there are certainly others who would be willing to entertain religious debates:

    Can’t guarantee what their attitudes will be like. No, seriously, I don’t know. That place has gotten weird lately.

    • FromNoahtoHercules

      I left this alone for a while because, honestly, what can you say to that kind of response. But I think I have something to say now.

      I was once asked by Mormon missionaries to read the book of Mormon, pray about it, search inside for a feeling in my gut. I did. Not only did I see a ton of logical errors in the book, but I also felt something in my gut… a feeling of revulsion. I put the book out on the back patio table. I didn’t want it in my house anymore. I wouldn’t blame you for not taking that challenge they put to me. It’s in the nature of some to do and not in the nature of others.

      I read Luke 11 this morning (click). I’m not asking you to follow the Mormon model – to get a feeling in your gut. I’m asking you to follow the Jesus/miracle model. Ask for things that only God can do, and if God wants to keep his reputation on earth and in heaven, He will hear your prayers. He will see your heart, and He will answer your prayer according to your faith.

      “…I have better things to do than pine after a mystical entity that may not even be real…”
      What lasting important thing are you doing that would cause you to neglect the purpose God has for your life? Even if God is mystical, which is like me admitting that my wife isn’t real, what thing can you possibly do that will matter after you’re dead and buried? Two generations from now, it will all just be a big, “So what!?”

      I’m not sure what you’re referring to when you say “lying for Jesus”. I didn’t lie. I’m not asking you to lie either.

      If you don’t take the challenge, I invite others who read this to try it out. A similar challenge is praying for people. Pray for 100 people, and see if God does something miraculous. I hear that 1/100 is enough to keep most people praying. Miracles are rare by definition.

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